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A woman carries packed cardboard boxes out of her home.
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The resident (throwaway80177) shared her side of the story with members of this online community, claiming that her mom and aunt were tenants in her grandfather's estate since the early 2000s. However, little did she know that the deed was never officially filed.
"Dad is [the] administrator of an estate and saying I must leave [the] property where I have continuously resided. I am heir of the estate.
Location: Pennsylvania
Grandfather had a property in Pennsylvania
He signed it over to my mom and [my] aunt as tenants in common in 2001
[The] deed was signed and delivered, but never filed."
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An old grandfather wears a white button-up shirt and smiles during the daytime.
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When the resident's mother passed away, she stayed on the estate and ended up becoming her grandfather's sole caretaker. Even her aunt, who still lived on the property, was far more concerned with selling it and putting him in a home than actually helping improve his quality of life during his final years.
"Mom d**d in-state seven years later
I became my grandpa's caretaker [in] 2020, [my] aunt was trying to put grandpa in [a] home [and] sell [the] property.
Heard rumors of [the] deed, did due diligence, [saw that] nothing [was] recorded on [the] property."
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The resident's grandfather expected that there would be conflict regarding the estate, though that did not stop the resident's aunt from continuing to try to sell the estate.
"Grandpa had a lease created to head off family drama and attempts to put him in a home and sell the property
[The] lease was tied to compensation for a caregiver contract at a *significantly* reduced care rate to ensure care
Lease and details were later recorded [in] 2024
Aunt records the old deed later to try and sell [the] home"
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Then, the inevitable happened. However, in a surprising turn of events, the resident's aunt also fell ill, which left the question of what will happen to the estate entirely up in the air. Unfortunately, that's when the resident's selfish father popped up seemingly out of nowhere to try to take over the proceedings.
"Grandpa d**s months later
Aunt d**s a month after him
I've been continuously occupying and maintaining the property
Mom's estate is now in probate
My dad is the administrator
Aunt's estate is probated
There is no living recorded owner of record for the property."
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A "For Sale" sign in front of a glass door to a living space.
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"Dad- the administrator of my mom's estate- and their representation (Dad's sister, aunt #2, who is an estate attorney) refuse to update my address in the estate stuff, they're using a false address for correspondence
Dad, [the] administrator, and [my] aunt's spouse want me out.
They're using intimidation tactics to try and get me to vacate the property.
The fact that this woman's father was willing to resort to intimidation tactics to get his own daughter evicted has got to be a new level of betrayal that not even we are used to coming across here at FAIL Blog.
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"They tried to turn off the electric
They're making decisions to sell without informing me as an heir ([they're] accidentally [sending] me correspondence showing they have informed other heirs)
They sent a realtor to harass me and post a sign, even though there's no ownership
They're asking for a renunciation and asserting [that] I cannot live here."
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"They are saying I must allow the realtor inside the property. I was not informed of any of this until a realtor showed up this morning.
They are saying both estates have agreed it is in the best interests of all heirs to sell the property.
They are saying my lease is invalid, but no court has said so.
I need help understanding my rights because it is complicated, and nobody will listen."
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Comments:
"You can be evicted like any other tenant, even if you're an heir to the estate. You have basic tenant's rights including things like working electricity. The estates can sell the property.
Some of the specific actions are probably illegal (the power, not giving you any notice before the realtor), but overall they are right on the basic issue that if they've decided to sell the house you are going to need to move out. Your best course of action may be to see if they will agree to a cash for keys arrangement and buy you out of the rest of your lease, rather than hashing it out in court."
"You're a tenant, your mom's and aunt's estates are the landlords. If they don't want to keep you on as a tenant, they can terminate your lease and ultimately evict you if you don't leave. You're entitled to quiet enjoyment of the property and to not be a victim of self-help eviction tactics like turning off the power. But at the end of the day, you don't get to live there forever just because you've been living there.
As for your mom's estate, you have the right to be kept informed about it, but it sounds like the home will ultimately have to be sold and the proceeds divided among the heirs. Unless you can come up with the money to buy out the other heirs at fair market value.
You should consult with a probate attorney to understand your rights fully. And definitely don't let yourself get pressured into signing a renunciation when you don't know what you're potentially giving up."
"You definitely need a probate lawyer, as there's a ton to unpack here. Some questions you'll want to ask are, first, who actually owns the house? There may be a basis to challenge the transfer of the house that was ostensibly signed in 2001 but not recorded until 2024, long after one of the transferees (your mom) had passed away. Also, your grandfather acted as the owner in creating the lease, further calling into question the transfer. An attorney is needed to look into this.
Next, what's the status of your mom's estate? It appears she d**d in 2008, but it's still in probate?
As others have said, you're at least a month-to-month tenant, so the administrators need to give you proper notice to vacate. But if it turns out you're the heir to all or part of the home, it may be a breach of fiduciary duty for the administrators to kick you out.
You should still start looking for another place to live. It'll probably be a lot less expensive (in lawyer fees) and time consuming to reach an agreement to sell the house and split proceeds in some way than to go to court to figure out who owns what."
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